Comments on: My GREAT Archbishop Burke… http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/ thoughts on catholic spirituality, prayer and mysticism Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:43:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: aeternus http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-58 aeternus Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:36:55 +0000 http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-58 Just a note on the word Scandal which comes from the words: scandalum and from the Greek: skándalon skándalon - snare, cause of moral stumbling -- skandalon originally was "the name of the part of a trap to which the bait is attached, hence, the trap or snare itself, as in Rom_11:9, RV, 'stumblingblock,' quoted from Psalm_69:22, and in Rev_2:14, for Balaam's device was rather a trap for Israel than a stumblingblock to them, and in Matt_16:23, for in Peter's words the Lord perceived a snare laid for Him by Satan. In the NewTestament skandalon is always used metaphorically, and ordinarily of anything that arouses prejudice, or becomes a hindrance to others, or causes them to fall by the way. Sometimes the hindrance is in itself good, and those stumbled by it are the wicked. So you must agree that this whole thing is one sticky skándalon from head to foot! I agree, maybe things could be handled differently. And maybe one day there will be advertisements on television for the 4$ medicine to help stop the transmission of AIDS to babies instead of seeing ads for "dysfunction" during every commercial break! How wonderful to have such a drug, I did not even know of this, thank you for telling me. I don't see how we can win a culture war (and that is what it boils down too, fighting against an ever growing culture of death and indifference) without speaking up and out on moral issues. The Archbishop, to his credit, tried for 6 months (behind closed doors) to educate the Hospital and the fundraisers as to the error in judgement to use Ms. Crow but they refused. They could only see the money. (And please know, Ms. Crow is especially targeted in this matter because of her extensive help in passing an amendment to the Missouri Constitution (another scandalous matter) which enshrines Embryonic Stem Cell research and forces every tax payer to contribute to this morally offensive research by law! But I do see your point that perhaps he could have spoken with Ms. Crow and tried to "convert" her. Then again, maybe he did and we must not interfere with that personal matter... I want you to know I am united with you through this because we both believe in our hearts that the issue of protecting LIFE was highjacked by this whole scandal. It was the fighting and bickering which was played in the media, not the beauty of souls who need our help and protection. Let us pray together that such matters will not happen again. Let us pray to the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts and minds so we can work together for the benefit of His kingdom. That we may be of one voice which is lifted in praise of ALL LIFE! Amen and peace to you my sister. Just a note on the word Scandal which comes from the words:

scandalum

and from the Greek:

skándalon

skándalon - snare, cause of moral stumbling — skandalon originally was “the name of the part of a trap to which the bait is attached, hence, the trap or snare itself, as in Rom_11:9, RV, ’stumblingblock,’ quoted from Psalm_69:22, and in Rev_2:14, for Balaam’s device was rather a trap for Israel than a stumblingblock to them, and in Matt_16:23, for in Peter’s words the Lord perceived a snare laid for Him by Satan.

In the NewTestament skandalon is always used metaphorically, and ordinarily of anything that arouses prejudice, or becomes a hindrance to others, or causes them to fall by the way. Sometimes the hindrance is in itself good, and those stumbled by it are the wicked.

So you must agree that this whole thing is one sticky skándalon from head to foot!

I agree, maybe things could be handled differently. And maybe one day there will be advertisements on television for the 4$ medicine to help stop the transmission of AIDS to babies instead of seeing ads for “dysfunction” during every commercial break! How wonderful to have such a drug, I did not even know of this, thank you for telling me.

I don’t see how we can win a culture war (and that is what it boils down too, fighting against an ever growing culture of death and indifference) without speaking up and out on moral issues. The Archbishop, to his credit, tried for 6 months (behind closed doors) to educate the Hospital and the fundraisers as to the error in judgement to use Ms. Crow but they refused. They could only see the money. (And please know, Ms. Crow is especially targeted in this matter because of her extensive help in passing an amendment to the Missouri Constitution (another scandalous matter) which enshrines Embryonic Stem Cell research and forces every tax payer to contribute to this morally offensive research by law! But I do see your point that perhaps he could have spoken with Ms. Crow and tried to “convert” her. Then again, maybe he did and we must not interfere with that personal matter…

I want you to know I am united with you through this because we both believe in our hearts that the issue of protecting LIFE was highjacked by this whole scandal. It was the fighting and bickering which was played in the media, not the beauty of souls who need our help and protection.

Let us pray together that such matters will not happen again. Let us pray to the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts and minds so we can work together for the benefit of His kingdom. That we may be of one voice which is lifted in praise of ALL LIFE!

Amen and peace to you my sister.

]]> By: Katherine http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-57 Katherine Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:26:47 +0000 http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-57 I'm sorry this issue causes you pain. It causes me pain also because I beleive in the end actions such as the Arcbishop's hurt rather than help the noble pro-life cause. You write that ; "That does not make sense to me. THAT is SCANDAL" No tmaking sense (as I agree with you that Ms. Crow does not) is not scandal. You have a problem with the meaning of words. Not making sense is a faiu reof logic and reasoning, a fault many of us have. Nobody SAYS they do not want to help a sick child, but everyday people are indifferent or worse when it comes to helping sick children. A $4 medicine given to a pregant women will prevent her from transmitting AIDS to her unborn child. Yet thousands die every day because "we want to keep our taxes low". Ms. Crow doesn't SAY she wants to kill children. Burke had a chance to build on her compassion for sick children and help her move to the next step. he threw away that opportunity. It is sad. It has not saved a single unborn life and may have cost lives. I’m sorry this issue causes you pain. It causes me pain also because I beleive in the end actions such as the Arcbishop’s hurt rather than help the noble pro-life cause.

You write that ; “That does not make sense to me. THAT is SCANDAL” No tmaking sense (as I agree with you that Ms. Crow does not) is not scandal. You have a problem with the meaning of words. Not making sense is a faiu reof logic and reasoning, a fault many of us have.

Nobody SAYS they do not want to help a sick child, but everyday people are indifferent or worse when it comes to helping sick children. A $4 medicine given to a pregant women will prevent her from transmitting AIDS to her unborn child. Yet thousands die every day because “we want to keep our taxes low”. Ms. Crow doesn’t SAY she wants to kill children. Burke had a chance to build on her compassion for sick children and help her move to the next step. he threw away that opportunity. It is sad. It has not saved a single unborn life and may have cost lives.

]]> By: aeternus http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-50 aeternus Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:05:50 +0000 http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-50 I offer my comments only with the greatest sincerity of heart and concern for my Sister in Christ. I truly do not want to disturb your peace any further on this matter of my Archbishop, and I must admit that my own peace is suffering a bit now... In a final word (and this will be my final comment) , I suppose I can only say that we will both have to honor our consciences on this matter. But I really must continue to defend my Shepherd. The scandal and the point of this whole matter is this... How can an entertainer, who has with her own might and will chosen to become a public political activist in favor of killing innocent human life (both thru abortion and embryonic stem cell research) have the boldness to then say "Oh, but I'm a nice person really, see I want to sing for sick children at the Hospital. People like my music, and I make them happy. I am only doing right by using my music ability (a God given talent) to then become a political activist who supports scandalous actives (which are NOT of God.) The point is NOBODY in this world would NOT want to help a sick child! I really don't think you could find a person on this earth to disagree with that! However, by having compassion for a sick child and want to help on one hand and then on the other hand saying "oh, well maybe you should not have been born in the first place (i.e.. because you believe that unborn life is not as sacred as a sick child) . That does not make sense to me. THAT is SCANDAL, and THAT is what the Archbishop is saying and trying to teach us through this event. I'm sorry if you can not see this point which I believe to be perfectly clear. I really must pardon myself from further discussion on this only because it pains me so much to disagree with just about anyone, and certainly on a matter as important as this. I pray for those persons who support abortion and embryonic stem cell research, truly I do. I pray for their souls. But for the church to turn a blind eye to the abomination of such acts and not educate the faithful (young and old alike) than that is a scandal. As our Lord and Savior has taught us, we should and indeed MUST LOVE THE SINNER BUT NEVER THE SIN. Love is compassion, it is not enabling or coddling or humoring grievous sin. I offer my comments only with the greatest sincerity of heart and concern for my Sister in Christ. I truly do not want to disturb your peace any further on this matter of my Archbishop, and I must admit that my own peace is suffering a bit now… In a final word (and this will be my final comment) , I suppose I can only say that we will both have to honor our consciences on this matter. But I really must continue to defend my Shepherd.

The scandal and the point of this whole matter is this…

How can an entertainer, who has with her own might and will chosen to become a public political activist in favor of killing innocent human life (both thru abortion and embryonic stem cell research) have the boldness to then say “Oh, but I’m a nice person really, see I want to sing for sick children at the Hospital. People like my music, and I make them happy. I am only doing right by using my music ability (a God given talent) to then become a political activist who supports scandalous actives (which are NOT of God.)

The point is NOBODY in this world would NOT want to help a sick child! I really don’t think you could find a person on this earth to disagree with that! However, by having compassion for a sick child and want to help on one hand and then on the other hand saying “oh, well maybe you should not have been born in the first place (i.e.. because you believe that unborn life is not as sacred as a sick child) . That does not make sense to me. THAT is SCANDAL, and THAT is what the Archbishop is saying and trying to teach us through this event.

I’m sorry if you can not see this point which I believe to be perfectly clear.

I really must pardon myself from further discussion on this only because it pains me so much to disagree with just about anyone, and certainly on a matter as important as this. I pray for those persons who support abortion and embryonic stem cell research, truly I do. I pray for their souls. But for the church to turn a blind eye to the abomination of such acts and not educate the faithful (young and old alike) than that is a scandal. As our Lord and Savior has taught us, we should and indeed MUST LOVE THE SINNER BUT NEVER THE SIN. Love is compassion, it is not enabling or coddling or humoring grievous sin.

]]> By: Katherine http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-49 Katherine Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:55:37 +0000 http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-49 Scandal, according to the CCC is "what leds others into sin." No one was going out and having an abortion because Ms. Crow contributed to Glennon Hospital. Therefore, he was mistaken to say their would be scandal. No Catholic doctrine tells us we are sinning when we accept charity from people like Ms. Crow, regretable as her views on abortion policy are. She, like myself (you can speak for yourself) is a sinner. The Archbishop did not prove himself to be a good pastor. We hope for better in the future. Scandal, according to the CCC is “what leds others into sin.” No one was going out and having an abortion because Ms. Crow contributed to Glennon Hospital. Therefore, he was mistaken to say their would be scandal. No Catholic doctrine tells us we are sinning when we accept charity from people like Ms. Crow, regretable as her views on abortion policy are. She, like myself (you can speak for yourself) is a sinner. The Archbishop did not prove himself to be a good pastor. We hope for better in the future.

]]> By: aeternus http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-48 aeternus Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:54:42 +0000 http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-48 The archbishop is, as a teacher of the faith, trying to explain what "scandal" is for the faithful. He is trying to help us form our consciences according to the truth of the Catholic faith. It is unhealthy for a Catholic to form their character by separating their political stance from their objective obligations as Christians. Should we surrender THE TRUTH to the muddy waters of political correctness I fear we shall ALL be lost. I continue to applaud our Archbishop who is a man of strong moral character and who is desperately trying to shine a light of Christ into this bleak and confused world. So, you see, it would be "scandalous" of the Archbishop if he were not to point out the errors of subjective moralism and relativistic truths. My Sister in faith, I pray you come to understand what I am trying to explain to you. Certainly I have failed in my poor words, but please take your concern to our Lord for I know He will teach you properly in your own heart. The archbishop is, as a teacher of the faith, trying to explain what “scandal” is for the faithful. He is trying to help us form our consciences according to the truth of the Catholic faith. It is unhealthy for a Catholic to form their character by separating their political stance from their objective obligations as Christians. Should we surrender THE TRUTH to the muddy waters of political correctness I fear we shall ALL be lost. I continue to applaud our Archbishop who is a man of strong moral character and who is desperately trying to shine a light of Christ into this bleak and confused world. So, you see, it would be “scandalous” of the Archbishop if he were not to point out the errors of subjective moralism and relativistic truths.

My Sister in faith, I pray you come to understand what I am trying to explain to you. Certainly I have failed in my poor words, but please take your concern to our Lord for I know He will teach you properly in your own heart.

]]> By: Katherine http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-47 Katherine Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:56:41 +0000 http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-47 I respectfully disagree with Archbishop's Burke's action. I am a practicing, pro-life, orthodox Catholic. I disagree with Ms. Crow's views on abortion public policy. But i do not believe my faith requires me or anyone else to shun any association with her. And I resent those who claim I am not a good Catholic because I believe so. I respectfully disagree with Archbishop’s Burke’s action. I am a practicing, pro-life, orthodox Catholic. I disagree with Ms. Crow’s views on abortion public policy. But i do not believe my faith requires me or anyone else to shun any association with her. And I resent those who claim I am not a good Catholic because I believe so.

]]> By: thedivinelamp http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-2 thedivinelamp Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:11:48 +0000 http://aeternus.stblogs.com/2007/04/26/my-great-archbishop-burke-alleluia-oh-and-thank-you-bill-donohue/#comment-2 I propose coining a new phrase in honor of bishop Burke: "Burking up the right tree." Did you read what Bob Costas (who is associated with the event) said in response to the bishop's decision? The media seems to think its relevant because their is apparently so much in common between being a Bishop and a sports caster. I propose coining a new phrase in honor of bishop Burke: “Burking up the right tree.”

Did you read what Bob Costas (who is associated with the event) said in response to the bishop’s decision? The media seems to think its relevant because their is apparently so much in common between being a Bishop and a sports caster.

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